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We don't know what prompted him to
do this act when he did it.
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This minor is
going to sleep with his dad,
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but he's going to shoot his dad, too?
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And then he's going
to shoot himself?
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It just didn't sit right.
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Now we're looking
at a double homicide.
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Well, double homicide? There's only
three people in the house.
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Who's our most logical suspect?
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Once the news was reported,
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things in the community
were pretty wild.
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The brother at the time had said
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that he said goodbye to him
and then shot himself.
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One of the things I want to know
is whether
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or not he has the ABILITY
to do this.
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Does he have the capability to load
or point the .45-calibre pistol?
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And to get the results
from the coroner,
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who says the wounds
are inconsistent with suicide.
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They're inconsistent
with self-infliction.
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This is beginning to look
more like a reactive
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kind of staging
than a PROACTIVE one.
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If this autistic minor had shot
his dad, would have been rare.
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If this autistic minor had shot
HIMSELF, would have been rare.
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If he shot his dad
and then shot himself,
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would have been REALLY rare.
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The Fresno County
and Central Valley
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is essentially
the centre of California.
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Fresno is a city of over 500,000
people itself,
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and it's very agriculturally based.
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Fruits, vegetables.
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It's pretty much a breadbasket
place for the entire world.
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We kind of have a small-town feel,
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but we have big-city issues.
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Gradually, over time, it's
built up a reputation as a place
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that there could be a more violent
nature to the city itself.
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Brian lived in a trailer park home
with his brother, Robert,
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and his father, Patrick.
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Brian was autistic,
and he required a lot of care,
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but he was at a point where
he was really coming into his own.
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He was really skilled
on the computer.
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He was really fascinated by films,
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and, you know,
he was having a good life.
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Brian and his dad, Patrick,
would walk around the trailer park.
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They knew their neighbours.
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They were really enmeshed
in the community.
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They loved to talk to each
other on walkie talkies.
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So, you know, everyone knew them
as this just, like,
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close, you know, pals.
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The family had just lost
their mother, not long before. So,
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Patrick was now raising the boys
as a single dad. And so of course,
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that was very difficult for him AND
the boys. So it was something that,
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you know, clearly everyone knew they
were going through a difficult time.
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You know,
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because it was such a tight knit
place, no one was really expecting
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something super out
of the ordinary to take place.
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Tonight,
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a 15 year old is in critical
condition after police say he shot
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and killed his father
before turning the gun on himself.
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The father has been identified
as 61-year-old Patrick Cotter.
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Authorities were called to a mobile
home park near McKinley
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and Marx avenues in Fresno
around eight o'clock this morning.
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I came in in the morning.
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I did my normal routine,
which is maybe have some coffee,
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go through my emails,
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and then I was assigned this case,
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and I called the officer.
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They gave me initial information.
I knew I had to respond.
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We get to the scene,
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and I remember an officer briefing
me about the circumstances,
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and we had a man, an adult male,
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who was in bed, and he was shot,
they believe, multiple times,
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and that there was another person
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who sustained a gunshot wound
who was transferred to the hospital.
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And at that time, they were advised
from the person that was there,
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the witness, that it was a boy who
had shot his dad
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and then shot himself,
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and then 911 was called, and then
he was transferred to the hospital.
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The 15 year old has been in
critical condition
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all day here at CRMC.
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He lived in the mobile home
park with his father,
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and 18-year-old brother,
who was actually the one
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that made the call to 911
this morning.
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It's very important
that detectives
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and first responders don't start
making assumptions right away.
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It's what we call
threshold diagnosis.
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"I know it's going on here" or
"I know what that behaviour means."
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When they do that,
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they've closed down the possibility
of real investigation.
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We need anyone involved in a scene
like this to stay open,
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not interpret too quickly
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but look for things that might
need a deeper investigation.
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I would automatically
be suspicious of the 911 caller.
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At the scene, does his behaviour
match the expected behaviour
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of someone who's just found
their brother and father dead?
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Responding to the scene,
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the detectives are first trying
to determine,
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what are the basic facts?
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They have a 911 call,
so they know what was reported.
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Now they're going to go back
in to determine
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how much they can corroborate
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or refute based on that comment.
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As far as the scene, I wanted
to find out where it took place.
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How much blood was there?
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Was there any type
of strike marks to the home?
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What's the distance between the
rounds that were fired
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to the subject that was hit?
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Was there casing?
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What type of gun was it?
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These are things
that are going on in my head.
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First thing we see is the father
that's been murdered in the bed.
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That corroborates what
was on the 911 call.
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It should have been
reasonably clear
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to the crime scene investigators
in this case
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that they were dealing
with a homicide.
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The father had been shot twice
in his bed.
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One of the wounds
was in his head.
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Oh, and one of the wounds
was in his back.
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What I could see
is that he looked like
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he was still in a sleeping position,
the dad,
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and that the rounds
that were fired were consistent.
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There was other strike marks
in the wall.
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Everything seemed to be consistent
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with what's being told to us
at the time.
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So the next step is now
to take a look at the suicide.
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I'm always alert anytime
I'm responding to a suicide,
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because I know suicides
are one of the top four themes
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that are used to stage a murder.
So if I was called to the scene,
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my senses would already be alert.
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Initially,
the homicide case of the father,
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in this particular case,
the individual died right away.
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We were involved
with doing the autopsy.
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The person that was
under the umbrella
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of what was considered
a suicide case,
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he ended up going to the hospital,
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and he was at the hospital
for a number of days.
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So there was a separation
in the case itself.
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There is a lot of variation
in how people react,
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depending on their age
and their circumstance.
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But an 18-year-old boy who's in a
confined space with two people
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who are dead is going
to react in some way.
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He's just lost his brother
AND his father,
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and his brother has
done this horrific thing
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that seemed to come
from out of the blue.
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If Robert is truly
the standby witness,
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they need to make sure they start
questioning him right away,
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because his witness is
part of the crime scene.
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And the fresher it is for them,
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the better for their story.
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But they'll also really want to have
him isolated away from the scene
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and ask again and maybe again to
make sure the story holds together.
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Brian survived.
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And once the police showed up,
he was still alive
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and so everyone was questioning,
you know, what really happened?
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Hoping to get questions answered
and that he would come around
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and shed some light
on what really took place.
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One of the things that they had
advised me of is that
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the boy was autistic,
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and I still remember to this day.
When they told me that,
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I wrote it in my notes,
and I underlined it
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cos I just felt that
was a bit unusual
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for an autistic kid to shoot himself
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and also shoot his dad.
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If this is a staged scene, Robert
will be invested in Brian dying,
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and he'll be worried that
Brian might survive.
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Tonight, a 15 year old
is in critical condition
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after police say he shot
and killed his father
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before turning the good
on himself.
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The father has been identified
as 61-year-old Patrick Cotter.
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Authorities were called to a
mobile home park near McKinley
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and Marks avenues in Fresno
around eight o'clock this morning.
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With Brian still in the hospital
and not yet conscious
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and not even clear
that he'll make it,
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investigators have to kind of wait
to see, what will his story be?
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We have not received any more
information of his son's condition,
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but we will release that information
as soon as it becomes available.
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The 15 year old
lived in the home with his father
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and 18-year-old brother,
who made the call.
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Clearly, we want to talk to him
as rapidly as possible.
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So there will be a detective down at
the hospital almost 24 hours a day.
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In the off chance that he's awoke,
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we can talk to him
to find out exactly what happened.
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Does even know how to handle
the weapon that was used?
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Was the weapon
in the appropriate place
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for somebody who has
just tried to shoot themselves?
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I was really curious to know what
his autistic spectrum stage was.
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And could he, one, handle a gun?
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Could he fire a gun?
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And also,
what was the relationship like?
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Like, who is also the person
in the home with?
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We have to understand
that Robert should be concerned
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about his 15-year-old brother.
Is he going to make it?
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If he doesn't seem concerned,
that would be pretty important.
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And if he doesn't seem concerned
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about the fact that he just lost his
father, that would be important.
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If he starts to distract himself
with things
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like getting on his phone
or doing something like that,
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that would indicate maybe there is
more to the story here,
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but they can't really start
interpreting any of that behaviour
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until they get a fuller context.
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So they're going to need to know
a lot more
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about the family relationships.
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Does the brother who's fighting
for his life...
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Does he have any background
of aggression
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or have there been disputes?
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Have the police been called
here before for any reason?
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Does Robert have any issues
in HIS life?
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So they have to start unpacking
all of that before they can
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really make anything of odd
behaviour or inconsistencies.
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There was nothing at the crime
scene to suggest to the police
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that there was another version
of events.
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There was no intruder involved.
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The blood spatter that was
connected with the deceased person
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entirely fitted
with the account given by Robert
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and nothing to undermine this story.
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The brother at the time had
said that the minor autistic child
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was standing at the doorway,
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fired the weapon,
and the dad was struck.
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He said goodbye to him
and then shot himself.
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The first autopsy was
relatively straightforward.
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I looked at the gunshot wounds.
I looked at the story.
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Everything seemed
to fall into place that
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this individual
was shot by someone else.
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So at that particular time,
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I signed a death certificate
on the case as a homicide.
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You're going to have
physical evidence.
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You're going to have fingerprints.
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You're going to have DNA on the gun.
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So the most important thing to do
is to preserve the crime scene.
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Don't let anyone else touch it.
Don't let anything contaminate it
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so that the physical evidence that
it's there can be properly tested.
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Investigators can tell if a gun has
been recently wiped
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or cleaned and without fingerprints,
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it's very difficult to prove
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or disprove the version of events
of the suspect.
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Of course, we want to talk
to the surviving son, Robert.
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We want to know exactly what
happened that particular night.
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What did he see? What did he here?
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But also, this is our one
chance to talk to a family member
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about the mental abilities
of his brother.
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And we're going to be
dependent upon that initially
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because he's intimately
part of the family.
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He lives there,
so he knows all these things.
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Some inconsistencies will be
understandable
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because he's in shock and he doesn't
really know what's going on
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and why it happened. But if he
starts to deliver a story
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that remains stable but it
contradicts things at the scene,
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then that's going
to raise red flags.
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Because Brian was autistic
and did need a lot of care,
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neighbours were really questioning,
like,
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was he capable of doing
something like this?
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Was he capable of hurting his own
father and then doing it to himself?
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It really did raise
a lot of questions.
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It's the father who is the actual
caregiver for the son,
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and they have
a real good relationship.
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Well, the behaviour doesn't match
what we're being told,
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so something's wrong.
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The suspected minor who shot
his dad
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because of his autism
slept with his dad in the same bed.
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So one of my first instincts
is like,
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well, this minor is going to sleep
with his dad,
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but he's going to shoot his dad too?
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And then he's going
to shoot himself?
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It just didn't sit right.
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What I was finding is that if this
autistic minor had shot his dad,
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would have been rare.
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If this autistic minor had shot
himself, would have been rare.
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If he did both of these,
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shot his dad and then shot himself,
would have been REALLY rare.
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Robert's account was that Brian
then went on to shoot himself,
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but his injuries weren't fatal.
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This outcome leaves the police
investigation in a kind of limbo,
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because they have a perpetrator who
has attempted to commit suicide,
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but they are still alive,
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so they can't really progress
this investigation
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until Brian actually recovers.
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One of the things I want to know
is whether or not
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he has the ABILITY to do this.
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Does he have the capability to load
or point the .45-calibre pistol?
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You're in suspense.
You're kind of in a limbo.
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You're waiting to see.
And for our office,
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the biggest clue is going
to come from the minor
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who was suspected had shot his dad
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and then shot himself because now
he's in the hospital
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in critical condition,
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and we don't know
what his wounds look like.
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So along with our findings
and our concerns
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about was he able to do this,
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we don't know.
We're kind of in limbo at that time.
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I was taking a wait-and-see type
of approach to it,
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that the way I can tell
is looking at the gunshot wound.
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If it's what we call a distant
gunshot wound
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and what you have no evidence
of gunpowder,
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muzzle imprint
or what we call stippling...
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Stippling is when you have powder
that comes out of the gun
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and strikes the surface
of the body at a distance
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anywhere from six inches
up to almost three feet.
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So I felt that the best way
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I can look at the gunshot wound
itself
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and determine it
from the pathology perspective,
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that's something
that I have to wait and see.
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First thing I would say
to a detective
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is watch Robert's behaviour.
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Because if this is a staged scene,
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Robert will be invested
in Brian dying,
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and he'll be worried
that Brian might survive.
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The 15-year-old has been in
critical condition here at CRMC.
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After Brian officially
passed away,
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it was a devastating blow
to the family.
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Not only did they lose Brian
and Patrick,
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they had also lost their mother
soon before that,
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so it was just a horrible tragedy
for them.
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When Brian finally
succumbs to his injuries,
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there would be a routine postmortem
examination
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by a forensic pathologist.
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Once the son passes away,
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now we can finally get those answers
that we've been searching for.
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What type of wound does
the suicide victim have?
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Is it a hard contact?
Is it a close contact or whatever?
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Cos that'll tell us whether
it's consistent
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or inconsistent
with a self-inflicted wound.
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Any situation,
such as a gunshot wound to the head,
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whether it's a suicide
or a homicide,
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there is a request
at that time to the family.
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"Would you be willing to donate
organs and tissues?"
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And that took place,
in this particular case,
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on the 15-year-old son,
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is that there was another day
in between
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when he was pronounced dead
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and when he finally arrived
at the corner's office.
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Medical examiner has to determine
three things:
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cause, manner and mechanism.
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The cause of the death, which is
either going to be homicide,
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suicide or accident or unknown.
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The manner of death,
which is, what killed this person?
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How was this person killed?
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And the mechanism of death.
What weapon was used?
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A gunshot wound
that's inflicted close up,
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which is what you would
expect as a murder-suicide.
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The bullet's entry point
is going to look different
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than a shot from a few feet away.
340
00:23:39,341 --> 00:23:44,701
There is no gunpowder found
in the skin around the wound.
341
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There is no muzzle imprint
of the skin itself around the wound.
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Which then leads me to say
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we're not dealing with a suicide
in this particular case.
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It's something different.
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We learned that he passed away,
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and then we brought him into our
office because we wanted
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to look at that wound,
to see if it was consistent
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with either someone
shooting himself, like,
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is it possible where he could
have had a distance
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of where it was something
that he could have done,
351
00:24:22,141 --> 00:24:24,541
like, the placement
of the barrel to the head?
352
00:24:24,701 --> 00:24:27,261
Is everything consistent
with someone he did it himself?
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And if not, then
we were going to have two homicides
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instead of a homicide and a suicide.
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It's not until the postmodern
findings that the police realise
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that they now have a DIFFERENT
kind of case on their hands...
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...and that Robert would become key
person of interest
358
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because he was present when
both of the crimes were committed.
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And his account does not square
with the medical evidence.
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The autopsy showed that Brian
could not have shot himself,
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00:25:07,301 --> 00:25:11,461
and that, ultimately,
is what led to Robert's arrest.
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As Robert begins to realise
he's now a suspect,
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he will start to worry. He's a kid.
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He's not sophisticated
about crime scene staging.
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He believes he's gotten away
with this, and suddenly he hasn't.
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We wanna now look at motive.
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Why would Robert kill his brother
and his father
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and pin it on his brother?
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So something has happened
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to make Robert do something
so extreme.
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Is he angry at his brother
and his father?
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In this household,
we had both parents,
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a 15-year-old brother
with severe autism and Robert.
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And he looked to his mother.
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She was probably his best friend
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and the place he could go
to get away from his father.
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00:26:26,061 --> 00:26:30,381
And once she had died, it would have
changed the entire dynamics.
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Especially
if the father did not know
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00:26:35,461 --> 00:26:37,821
how to deal
with the autistic brother.
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00:26:37,981 --> 00:26:41,781
He might have looked to Robert to be
the primary caretaker of this boy,
381
00:26:41,941 --> 00:26:45,901
and Robert would have resented
that kind of responsibility.
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00:26:46,061 --> 00:26:50,381
So if he already had a conflicted
relationship with his father
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00:26:50,541 --> 00:26:53,861
and now the mother is removed
as a buffer to that,
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00:26:54,021 --> 00:26:57,581
it's raw.
And he's annoyed at his brother,
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00:26:57,741 --> 00:27:01,021
and he concocts a plan to get
rid of the father
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00:27:01,181 --> 00:27:02,901
and brother and blame the brother.
387
00:27:03,061 --> 00:27:06,621
And it would be an easy
way to be rid of both of them
388
00:27:06,781 --> 00:27:08,981
and be home scot-free.
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00:27:11,941 --> 00:27:14,221
You want to get some
background on Robert.
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00:27:14,381 --> 00:27:16,781
How did he get along with everybody?
391
00:27:16,941 --> 00:27:21,341
Was there any expected reward
if both of them passed away?
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00:27:25,261 --> 00:27:27,821
In the early stages
of the investigation,
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00:27:27,981 --> 00:27:30,021
there is no reason
for Robert to believe
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00:27:30,181 --> 00:27:32,781
that he hasn't fooled the police.
395
00:27:33,741 --> 00:27:38,781
It's just an example of how most
people are naive about the intensity
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00:27:39,661 --> 00:27:42,181
and scrutiny
that they might come under
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00:27:42,341 --> 00:27:44,461
during the course
of an investigation.
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00:27:44,621 --> 00:27:48,261
The police would be
looking into all their relationships
399
00:27:48,421 --> 00:27:50,781
and their behaviour
and their movements.
400
00:27:53,341 --> 00:27:55,301
Once Robert becomes a suspect,
401
00:27:55,461 --> 00:27:58,301
they will confiscate his computer,
his phone,
402
00:27:58,461 --> 00:28:02,221
any other digital devices so
that they can look at HIS history.
403
00:28:05,781 --> 00:28:08,741
What kinds of things did he look up?
Did he look up suicides?
404
00:28:08,901 --> 00:28:11,621
Did he look up how to use
these kinds of weapons?
405
00:28:11,781 --> 00:28:14,341
Did he look up
how to stage anything?
406
00:28:14,501 --> 00:28:16,661
So they're going to be looking for
any indication
407
00:28:16,821 --> 00:28:19,221
that this plan is his
408
00:28:19,381 --> 00:28:21,261
and he's the one
that carried this out
409
00:28:21,421 --> 00:28:23,261
and then pinned it on his brother.
410
00:28:23,421 --> 00:28:25,661
And they're going to be looking for
what was his relationship
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00:28:25,821 --> 00:28:27,461
with his brother
that he would do such a thing.
412
00:28:32,541 --> 00:28:35,261
And they would look in detail
at their digital devices.
413
00:28:35,421 --> 00:28:38,101
And of course,
most people don't realise
414
00:28:38,261 --> 00:28:40,261
that even
when you delete evidence
415
00:28:40,421 --> 00:28:44,301
that the police can still find that
evidence on these devices.
416
00:28:46,221 --> 00:28:48,501
What they found when they
examined his computer
417
00:28:48,661 --> 00:28:53,341
was that he had repeatedly searched
how the police investigate suicide,
418
00:28:53,501 --> 00:28:57,701
and how might someone
go about staging a suicide.
419
00:28:57,861 --> 00:29:01,341
In this instance, Robert
didn't even delete the evidence.
420
00:29:02,541 --> 00:29:05,621
It would have been found
very quickly.
421
00:29:08,301 --> 00:29:12,661
The internet searches that they
found were things like
422
00:29:12,821 --> 00:29:15,861
"how to fire a Colt 1911"...
423
00:29:17,261 --> 00:29:19,301
...which is directly connected
to the crime
424
00:29:19,461 --> 00:29:22,021
because that's the weapon
that was used.
425
00:29:24,861 --> 00:29:26,661
He's so unsophisticated
426
00:29:26,821 --> 00:29:29,741
that he doesn't even realise they're
going to be able to find this.
427
00:29:30,861 --> 00:29:33,301
If you're going to do these
kinds of searches, go to a library,
428
00:29:33,461 --> 00:29:35,621
do something else.
429
00:29:36,581 --> 00:29:38,541
He clearly is naive.
430
00:29:38,701 --> 00:29:44,301
This is beginning to look more like
a REACTIVE kind of staging
431
00:29:44,461 --> 00:29:46,501
than a PROACTIVE one.
432
00:29:48,421 --> 00:29:51,541
I think the people questioning him,
the detectives,
433
00:29:51,701 --> 00:29:54,741
are going to start seeing signals
that he's distressed,
434
00:29:54,901 --> 00:29:57,781
that things
have gone completely off the rails,
435
00:29:57,941 --> 00:30:00,141
and he doesn't have a way to fix it.
436
00:30:10,861 --> 00:30:12,901
When a suspect is interrogated,
437
00:30:13,061 --> 00:30:15,501
it's a very planned-out procedure,
438
00:30:15,661 --> 00:30:19,501
everything down to the temperature
in the interrogation room,
439
00:30:19,661 --> 00:30:22,621
the positioning of the chairs,
the positioning of the questioners.
440
00:30:22,781 --> 00:30:24,741
It's all down to a science.
441
00:30:24,901 --> 00:30:29,141
And the purpose is to have the
suspect so uncomfortable
442
00:30:29,301 --> 00:30:31,301
and set them at such
a cognitive dissonance
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00:30:31,461 --> 00:30:33,661
that they will finally confess.
444
00:30:36,021 --> 00:30:38,541
In America,
we try to get a confession
445
00:30:38,701 --> 00:30:42,381
because we consider a confession the
best evidence that there is because
446
00:30:42,541 --> 00:30:45,781
somebody is giving a statement
against their own self-interest.
447
00:30:45,941 --> 00:30:48,701
That's our best evidence,
448
00:30:48,861 --> 00:30:51,061
and all of our courts has
recognised
449
00:30:51,221 --> 00:30:53,141
that that is the
strongest evidence that there is.
450
00:30:54,741 --> 00:30:57,101
This is an example of
when you're just laying out
451
00:30:57,261 --> 00:31:00,341
all the evidence that you have,
and the suspect realises that
452
00:31:00,501 --> 00:31:02,541
there's no other place
for him to go.
453
00:31:02,701 --> 00:31:04,541
They have you. So what does he do?
454
00:31:04,701 --> 00:31:08,141
He tries to confess
because he thinks that confession
455
00:31:08,301 --> 00:31:11,781
is the best thing that's
going to help him down the road.
456
00:31:12,941 --> 00:31:15,781
Once he's confessed
457
00:31:15,941 --> 00:31:19,581
and considering the evidence
that they already have,
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00:31:19,741 --> 00:31:21,581
I believe prosecutors
would charge him
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00:31:21,741 --> 00:31:23,981
with the crime immediately
at that point.
460
00:31:26,501 --> 00:31:29,941
We have to make sure that the
evidence is compelling enough
461
00:31:30,101 --> 00:31:33,581
to say that, yes, this person
is the one who did it.
462
00:31:34,621 --> 00:31:36,421
Because that is enough
463
00:31:36,581 --> 00:31:39,421
for a reasonable jury
to find that he's guilty.
464
00:31:44,621 --> 00:31:46,701
I do remember in this case,
465
00:31:46,861 --> 00:31:50,381
we had a forensic tech
whose son was autistic,
466
00:31:50,541 --> 00:31:54,741
and he's one of the ones
who came to me and was like,
467
00:31:54,901 --> 00:31:58,061
"Imron,
I know if this kid is autistic,
468
00:31:58,221 --> 00:32:01,261
there's no way he could have done
this. There's no way."
469
00:32:07,421 --> 00:32:10,701
When Robert changed his plea
to no contest, essentially saying,
470
00:32:10,861 --> 00:32:14,461
"You got me. I mean, you have the
evidence and I recognise it."
471
00:32:19,621 --> 00:32:22,541
Now I think grief would come into
the picture,
472
00:32:22,701 --> 00:32:23,981
much more so than before.
473
00:32:24,141 --> 00:32:27,541
He's already grieving
a recent death of his mother.
474
00:32:27,701 --> 00:32:32,661
Now he's realising he has done
this horrible thing to his brother.
475
00:32:32,821 --> 00:32:36,141
He probably did love his father
and brother to some extent,
476
00:32:36,301 --> 00:32:38,661
and now he's lost them both.
And he did it.
477
00:32:45,101 --> 00:32:49,101
The staging of the scene
shows premeditation.
478
00:32:49,261 --> 00:32:52,181
It shows consciousness of guilt,
479
00:32:52,341 --> 00:32:56,781
and it shows
that he was willing to lie
480
00:32:56,941 --> 00:32:59,021
and blame his autistic brother.
481
00:33:00,501 --> 00:33:05,941
Those actions can elevate a charge
from manslaughter to murder.
482
00:33:06,101 --> 00:33:08,341
If he were to testify
that he snapped,
483
00:33:08,501 --> 00:33:11,061
went into the room
and shot both of them,
484
00:33:11,221 --> 00:33:13,221
that would make a lot more sense.
485
00:33:13,381 --> 00:33:15,061
And he could have been able
to argue,
486
00:33:15,221 --> 00:33:18,101
"Because of my terrible childhood,
this is manslaughter.
487
00:33:18,261 --> 00:33:21,021
I just snapped.
I didn't mean to do it."
488
00:33:21,181 --> 00:33:23,421
Staging the scene does
the absolute opposite.
489
00:33:23,581 --> 00:33:25,301
It makes him look far more guilty,
490
00:33:25,461 --> 00:33:29,261
and it makes a crime look
much more premeditated.
491
00:33:48,661 --> 00:33:51,821
Once the news came out that Robert
was actually the one
492
00:33:51,981 --> 00:33:56,101
who had perpetrated this crime
and it wasn't a murder-suicide,
493
00:33:56,261 --> 00:34:00,381
it was an even bigger question
mark of what really happened here.
494
00:34:04,661 --> 00:34:08,141
He took enough time to plan,
Google search
495
00:34:08,301 --> 00:34:10,341
and then stage the crime.
496
00:34:10,501 --> 00:34:14,261
So it makes him and the crime
appear to be very cold,
497
00:34:14,421 --> 00:34:17,461
calculated, cruel, planned.
498
00:34:19,701 --> 00:34:21,301
Now the prosecutor
has to determine,
499
00:34:21,461 --> 00:34:23,461
what's the best course of action?
500
00:34:23,621 --> 00:34:27,421
Does he want to accept a plea
or go ahead and go to court?
501
00:34:29,541 --> 00:34:32,021
Many times it revolves around money.
502
00:34:32,181 --> 00:34:35,421
It costs money
to have a homicide trial.
503
00:34:35,581 --> 00:34:36,941
Costs a lot of money.
504
00:34:37,101 --> 00:34:40,381
Whereas a guilty plea
doesn't take that much at all.
505
00:34:40,541 --> 00:34:43,181
And if the guy
is going to take a guilty plea,
506
00:34:43,341 --> 00:34:45,021
if he can get a good sentence,
507
00:34:45,181 --> 00:34:47,461
that's normally the accepted course.
508
00:34:52,101 --> 00:34:55,581
Ninety-eight per cent
of cases do not go to trial.
509
00:34:55,741 --> 00:34:57,261
They're resolved by a plea bargain.
510
00:35:00,261 --> 00:35:03,701
In this case, I would suspect
511
00:35:03,861 --> 00:35:07,941
that Mr Cotter pled guilty
to everything
512
00:35:08,101 --> 00:35:12,661
in order to avoid the death penalty
or life without parole.
513
00:35:15,981 --> 00:35:18,901
What would have been uncovered
in the examining
514
00:35:19,061 --> 00:35:20,941
of Robert's personal history
was that
515
00:35:21,101 --> 00:35:24,821
he seemed to have a very
traumatic childhood, and in fact,
516
00:35:24,981 --> 00:35:29,301
he tried to use this as part
of his defence during the trial.
517
00:35:30,301 --> 00:35:34,101
But a traumatised childhood
would not be a defence.
518
00:35:34,261 --> 00:35:36,301
It would perhaps be mitigation,
519
00:35:36,461 --> 00:35:38,741
but he still shot his father
and his brother.
520
00:35:38,901 --> 00:35:41,261
He still murdered them.
He knew he was murdering them,
521
00:35:41,421 --> 00:35:44,661
so the trauma would perhaps be
relevant to his sentence
522
00:35:44,821 --> 00:35:46,741
but not relevant to his conviction.
523
00:35:50,741 --> 00:35:55,541
Mitigation is anything that could
either explain why the person did it
524
00:35:55,701 --> 00:35:57,981
or anything that can get them a
lower sentence.
525
00:35:58,141 --> 00:36:01,901
So we look at things like family
history, personal history,
526
00:36:02,061 --> 00:36:06,981
and if your judge is
convinced that there are reasons,
527
00:36:07,141 --> 00:36:10,461
not excuses but explanations
for why a crime was committed
528
00:36:10,621 --> 00:36:16,461
and that there are reasons why your
client is not like everyone else,
529
00:36:16,621 --> 00:36:20,861
that can go a long way
in reducing a potential sentence.
530
00:36:23,221 --> 00:36:26,861
But it is going to be
a lot about who the judge is,
531
00:36:27,021 --> 00:36:29,621
cos some are more compassionate
than others.
532
00:36:31,061 --> 00:36:33,501
They're going to be
looking at the fact that he's 18.
533
00:36:33,661 --> 00:36:37,061
The adolescent brain research that
we have these days
534
00:36:37,221 --> 00:36:39,661
where adolescents, especially boys,
535
00:36:39,821 --> 00:36:43,661
don't really think that far into the
consequences of their actions.
536
00:36:43,821 --> 00:36:45,021
They're more impulsive.
537
00:36:46,221 --> 00:36:48,741
So whatever sentence
they bestow
538
00:36:48,901 --> 00:36:52,101
is going to be qualified
by some of this research.
539
00:36:55,701 --> 00:37:00,621
There is no room for error because
the stakes are so incredibly high,
540
00:37:00,781 --> 00:37:04,061
with a potential for life without
parole
541
00:37:04,221 --> 00:37:08,581
or the death penalty,
which is still active.
542
00:37:09,741 --> 00:37:11,901
We don't want false convictions.
543
00:37:21,021 --> 00:37:23,381
He receives life
without the chance of parole.
544
00:37:25,581 --> 00:37:27,701
He will die in prison.
545
00:37:29,701 --> 00:37:34,221
The extra 50 years on top of those
two life sentences
546
00:37:34,381 --> 00:37:37,501
is what we call enhancement.
547
00:37:37,661 --> 00:37:41,661
So if you use a gun in commission
of a crime and someone dies,
548
00:37:41,821 --> 00:37:45,421
that adds 25 years to the sentence.
549
00:37:46,541 --> 00:37:49,141
That's a way to ensure that he
would never get out of prison.
550
00:37:49,301 --> 00:37:51,461
Because if at some time
551
00:37:51,621 --> 00:37:54,741
life in prison
were declared unconstitutional
552
00:37:54,901 --> 00:37:57,741
or parole was brought back,
553
00:37:57,901 --> 00:38:02,181
he would not be eligible for parole,
because before he COULD be paroled,
554
00:38:02,341 --> 00:38:04,581
he'd have to serve
those extra 50 years.
555
00:38:10,581 --> 00:38:12,421
This is one of these cases
556
00:38:12,581 --> 00:38:15,381
that you have to take everything
into account.
557
00:38:17,901 --> 00:38:21,301
Not only was it meticulously
planned, carefully planned...
558
00:38:23,461 --> 00:38:26,501
...but it also involved
the murder of your own family.
559
00:38:29,581 --> 00:38:32,501
This would have a tremendous
impact on the jury
560
00:38:32,661 --> 00:38:34,701
as well as the community.
561
00:38:39,101 --> 00:38:40,941
The judge said something like,
562
00:38:41,101 --> 00:38:45,621
"I can understand maybe killing your
father over abuse
563
00:38:45,781 --> 00:38:50,581
in your background, but you
grabbed your brother by the collar
564
00:38:50,741 --> 00:38:52,861
and yanked him back and shot him.
565
00:38:53,021 --> 00:38:56,021
That is so brutal and unnecessary.
566
00:38:56,181 --> 00:38:57,661
And then you wanted to pin it
on him."
567
00:38:57,821 --> 00:39:02,581
And I think that was the deciding
factor, is the brutality of that.
568
00:39:13,141 --> 00:39:15,021
You don't really know it's staged
569
00:39:15,181 --> 00:39:17,941
unless there's something really,
really apparent.
570
00:39:18,101 --> 00:39:20,781
The way is reported to law
enforcement was really consistent
571
00:39:20,941 --> 00:39:23,981
with what I saw. One of the things
that we're looking for,
572
00:39:24,141 --> 00:39:28,061
if we're looking at staging
and trying to see, is, like, timing.
573
00:39:29,141 --> 00:39:33,661
Let's say if these events happened
hours prior to being called 911,
574
00:39:33,821 --> 00:39:35,541
I could say,
"Well, this doesn't make sense
575
00:39:35,701 --> 00:39:37,701
because this person is super cold.
576
00:39:37,861 --> 00:39:39,901
He's been passed away for some
time,"
577
00:39:40,061 --> 00:39:43,541
but for this case,
everything was fairly consistent.
578
00:39:46,181 --> 00:39:49,261
The gun was there.
The casings were there.
579
00:39:50,421 --> 00:39:52,741
The person who did it was there.
580
00:39:52,901 --> 00:39:54,941
There wasn't anything real elaborate
or anything.
581
00:39:55,101 --> 00:39:58,301
It just appeared to be
really straightforward.
582
00:39:59,301 --> 00:40:02,861
I mean, there was an effort
being put forth
583
00:40:03,021 --> 00:40:05,781
to make it look like what it was,
and it was done well
584
00:40:05,941 --> 00:40:09,061
except for the part where
we have this other evidence.
585
00:40:12,021 --> 00:40:15,501
I think the only thing that was
really out of the ordinary for me
586
00:40:15,661 --> 00:40:20,501
was just saying that it was a minor,
autistic kid who did all of this.
587
00:40:20,661 --> 00:40:25,661
If it wasn't for that, I don't think
I would have been so intrigued.
588
00:40:25,821 --> 00:40:28,701
Or you know, the red flags
wouldn't have really come up.
589
00:40:33,701 --> 00:40:36,821
To me one of the more frustrating
things within this case is,
590
00:40:36,981 --> 00:40:39,581
what was the motive? What was the
rationale? What was the reason?
591
00:40:39,741 --> 00:40:41,981
There's been some alleged
592
00:40:42,141 --> 00:40:44,981
but nothing really positive
that said
593
00:40:45,141 --> 00:40:48,021
this is the reason why,
on this particular date,
594
00:40:48,181 --> 00:40:50,341
he killed his dad
and then his brother.
595
00:40:51,461 --> 00:40:54,541
That's the most frustrating thing
because that resolves everything.
596
00:40:58,781 --> 00:41:03,501
Now I feel like I'm
working on behalf of that community,
597
00:41:03,661 --> 00:41:04,781
that autistic community.
598
00:41:06,421 --> 00:41:09,061
When it all kind of comes to light
599
00:41:09,221 --> 00:41:12,621
that this was not the one
who did it,
600
00:41:12,781 --> 00:41:14,821
you feel some
great satisfaction knowing
601
00:41:14,981 --> 00:41:16,541
that I was a part
of it in some way.
602
00:41:21,981 --> 00:41:25,261
His family doesn't think of him
as an evil person.
603
00:41:25,421 --> 00:41:28,741
They think of him as somebody who
had a moment
604
00:41:28,901 --> 00:41:30,861
that is really unexplainable,
605
00:41:31,021 --> 00:41:33,661
and I think that will sit with them
forever.
606
00:41:33,821 --> 00:41:38,021
They'll always try to understand
what came over him that day.
607
00:41:40,781 --> 00:41:43,261
Because they were so young,
both Brian and Robert,
608
00:41:43,421 --> 00:41:44,821
when this took place,
609
00:41:44,981 --> 00:41:48,221
it was just such a horrible tragedy
and lives lost.
610
00:41:48,381 --> 00:41:51,501
Both of them would never
get to live out their futures.
611
00:41:52,581 --> 00:41:55,821
They would never get to continue
being part of that community
612
00:41:55,981 --> 00:41:57,741
that they were so involved in,
613
00:41:57,901 --> 00:42:01,021
and it's a loss for everyone
around them.
614
00:42:04,581 --> 00:42:07,901
When something like this
happens in such a small community,
615
00:42:08,061 --> 00:42:10,261
it's something that will
stay with them forever.
616
00:42:12,221 --> 00:42:14,861
These were people that were
enmeshed in their lives every day.
617
00:42:15,021 --> 00:42:17,781
They were people... They were
children that they saw grow up.
618
00:42:17,941 --> 00:42:20,981
And to see them
ripped apart like this,
619
00:42:21,141 --> 00:42:23,621
one of them,
the rest of their life in prison,
620
00:42:23,781 --> 00:42:26,461
it's something that they will
never forget.
621
00:42:58,781 --> 00:43:00,981
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